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Left Communism [message #388] Fri, 22 March 2019 15:09 Go to next message
Karl
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Archived leftcom threads:
https://archive.fo/Nv6eq
http://archive.fo/L82TM

Links:
https://www.marxists.org/subject/left-wing/index.htm
http://www.sinistra.net/
http://www.quinterna.org/lingue/english/0_english.htm
http://www.international-communist-party.org/BasicTexts/What Dist.htm
https://www.leftcom.org/en
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism

I wouldn't call myself a "left-communist" necessarily but I do agree with many of their critiques especially regarding the degeneration of the communist movement during the 20th century. "Marxist-Leninists" have unfortunately spread a lot of misinformation about left-communists and tend to use any opportunity to slander them and/or censor their ideas. The recent thread on leftypol is a case-in-point.
Re: Left Communism [message #389 is a reply to message #388] Fri, 22 March 2019 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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Registered: January 2019
Someone recently asked about the Bordigist concept of organic centralism on 8chan's /marx/ board and was told,

Ismail
I've asked Bordigists (who chiefly exist on the Internet) to explain "organic centralism" to me for years. They never can, nor can they explain why a supposed "Leninist" like Bordiga felt the need to replace Lenin's words on the subject with his own invention.
A simple internet search reveals multiple explanations of the concept:
"Organic centralism places the accent on the one really essential element: respect not for the majority but for the program; respect not for individual opinions, but for the historical and ideological tradition of the movement."
http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pre/lunita/dufeadixye.html#u9
http://www.international-communist-party.org/English/TheCPar t/TCP_012.htm#OC
http://www.international-communist-party.org/English/Texts/C PTraLef/CPTraLe2.htm#IV.4
http://www.international-communist-party.org/BasicTexts/What Dist.htm

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Re: Left Communism [message #390 is a reply to message #388] Fri, 22 March 2019 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ted_burbclave
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They literally banned everyone in that thread who was a leftcom. And instead of engaging with us respectfully they just spammed the same silly gulag threat memes.
Re: Left Communism [message #391 is a reply to message #390] Sat, 23 March 2019 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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It's just typical ML behavior, honestly. One of the (many) reasons I haven't even posted on leftypol in six months.
Re: Left Communism [message #403 is a reply to message #391] Sun, 24 March 2019 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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Labor vouchers in the words of Council Communists

Council Communists promoted 'labor certificates' based on Marx's ideas some 50-60 years before Cockshott published Towards and New Socialism. The fact that such ideas were readily known raises the inconvenient question of why the USSR continued to use money, wage-labor, and an M-C-M cycle to direct their economy once production was already put under socialized ownership.

Paul Mattick, 1934
The specialization of labor makes necessary the use of some sort of certificates for drawing from the fund of social articles of consumption. Each producer receives a number of these certificates corresponding to the number of hours of labor he has performed. These certificates may be called labor money, though they are not money at all in the capitalistic sense. "The producers", writes Marx, "may eventually receive paper checks, by means of which they withdraw from the social supply of means of consumption a share corresponding to their labor-time. These checks are not money. They do not circulate." (Capital, Vol. 2 - page 412).
Source: https://www.marxists.org/subject/left-wing/icc/1934/10/commu nism.htm

Group of International Communists, 1930
The old workers' movement is unfolding its economic programme, its proposed planned economy, and its "socialism" thereby acquires form and structure; but what becomes amply clear along with these revelations is that the proposals put forward represent no more than a continuation of wage-labour under a new guise.
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The abolition of money and its replacement by average social labour-time - the so-called "labour certificates", is a revolutionary act and, providing that the working class can apply the necessary degree of social persuasion, could be brought into being within a few months of the establishment of proletarian power. It is no more than a question of social power, the social power of a class - power which only the entire proletariat can adequately bring to bear.
Source: https://www.marxists.org/subject/left-wing/gik/1930/index.ht m

Anton Pannekoek, 1947
In a society where the goods are produced directly for consumption there is no market to exchange them; and no value, as expression of the labor contained in them establishes itself automatically out of the processes of buying and selling. Here the labor spent must be expressed in a direct way by the number of hours. The administration keeps book [records] of the hours of labor contained in every piece or unit quantity of product, as well as of the hours spent by each of the workers. In the averages over all the workers of a factory, and finally, over all the factories of the same category, the personal differences are smoothed out and the personal results are intercompared.
Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-counc ils.htm

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Re: Left Communism [message #407 is a reply to message #391] Sun, 24 March 2019 23:20 Go to previous message
ted_burbclave
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It's pretty telling that tankies are willing to accommodate Pol Potists and literal Nazbols but then will turn around and be like "nope anarkiddies and leftcoms are the real fascists!"

Yeah I have pretty much given up on /leftypol/ at this point, quite a shame as there was a lot of potential.

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