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Christchurch Shooting General [message #322] Fri, 15 March 2019 10:19 Go to next message
anonleft
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General thread for discussing the Christchurch terrorist attack carried out by an 8/pol/ lone wolf. The contextually well developed manifesto and ideology is one of the most alarming and relevant things in my opinion. The appropriation of leftist rhetoric around anti-imperialism, workers' rights, and environmentalism shows the degree to which contemporary fascists have successfully imitated their predecessors and used socialist aesthetics and talking points for their own entirely incompatible and disgusting ends. Also worrying is the reaction of the burgeoning western left which I have only seen so far to be "this is why we need to ban Nazis." Fascism has been the ultimate evil symbol of liberal-democratic society for a century now, the reemergence of fascism isn't happening because it's okay to be fascist but because of specific material and social contradictions. Stricter twitter censorship etc will not only be ineffective but is just generally barking up the wrong tree, this shit needs to be addressed at the root with serious socialist organizing and radical serve the people and community defense programs.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #324 is a reply to message #322] Fri, 15 March 2019 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ackoli
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Might get 8chan shut down
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #325 is a reply to message #324] Fri, 15 March 2019 10:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anonleft
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Ackoli wrote on Fri, 15 March 2019 10:22
Might get 8chan shut down
Is there any way we could effectively shill this site as an alternative before it does? Even if 8chn isnt shut down it was already at least partially a honeypot and now it definitely will be. The /leftypol/ milieu growing up would be a silver lining to that but I don't see it happening considering every alternative to /leftypol/ has so far been abortions. In my opinion though this would be ideal, I think these old kind of forums are much more conducive to good discussion.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #326 is a reply to message #325] Fri, 15 March 2019 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ackoli
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Just post a thread about it on leftypol every few days, seems to work
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #333 is a reply to message #326] Fri, 15 March 2019 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Purged
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Fascist appropriation of leftist symbols is always superficial, at the core the difference is the appeal, leftists always appeal to logos and some times ethos while fascism is pure pathos. I've always believe we need to take that, have a leftist pathos that can appeal to the majority.
Liberals will always be soft on fascists because fascists defend private property and class privilege.
Also I heard that a guy passed by the christchurch mosque, came off his car and simply said something like 'hey I'm just here to celebrate the massacre' and then left.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #334 is a reply to message #324] Fri, 15 March 2019 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grainman
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I think it might already have shut 8ch. I can't connect to it. Can you do it?

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Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #335 is a reply to message #334] Fri, 15 March 2019 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tzar
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Yeah, can't connect here either. The cunt just had to make a post on fucking infinitychan of all places.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #337 is a reply to message #335] Fri, 15 March 2019 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pato
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I can connect but i´m using Tor, if that changes anything.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #338 is a reply to message #337] Fri, 15 March 2019 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grainman
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I am able to connect now although the site seems to work slower than it did before.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #339 is a reply to message #338] Fri, 15 March 2019 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Purged
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I just took a peak without any connection issues.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #340 is a reply to message #333] Sat, 16 March 2019 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anonleft
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Purged wrote on Fri, 15 March 2019 17:51
Fascist appropriation of leftist symbols is always superficial, at the core the difference is the appeal, leftists always appeal to logos and some times ethos while fascism is pure pathos. I've always believe we need to take that, have a leftist pathos that can appeal to the majority.
I agree, we need a philosophy surrounding a proletarian aesthetics. I'll be writing a paper on this soon and maybe I'll post it around here somewhere and see what people think.

And yeah I havent been having any connection issues with /leftypol/. Maybe the OP was a little alarmist but I'm still not convinced this is not the beginning of the end for 8chan. And really, good riddance, hopefully the remaining positive aspects of /leftypol/ can be salvaged. A forced migration to a different site like this could even trim the fat (especially the amount of fascist subversion and occassional rightward drift we seen on there)
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #344 is a reply to message #340] Sun, 17 March 2019 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anarchocyber
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I wouldn't call that "manifesto" well written, it's the incoherent ramblings of a /pol/tard eco fascist.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #382 is a reply to message #344] Thu, 21 March 2019 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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Quote:
A hotel owner in the far-north of Pakistan told the BBC that Brenton Tarrant had spent two nights in the area in October 2018.

Syed Israr Hussain, who runs the Osho Thang hotel, said Tarrant expressed no visible hostility to Muslims or Islam.

He said he was travelling alone and "walked around the local area" taking pictures like any other tourist. The area is popular with trekkers.

A now deleted post on Mr Hussain's social media account from last October is attributed to Brenton Tarrant and reads: "Pakistan is an incredible place filled with the most earnest kind hearted and hospitable people in the world."

Mr Hussain said Brenton Tarrant left those comments "for the world to see". He added he was "shocked" by the attack in Christchurch."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47579243

It's like people expect that racists, bigots, fascists, etc. will frown every time they see a person of a different skin colour than them, or spit on people of a different religion, or wear shirts that say "I hate minorities". They're going to behave normally in public, be kind to others if that's the norm of the society in which they grew up. The signs are much more subtle than that.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #432 is a reply to message #382] Mon, 25 March 2019 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ted_burbclave
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[quote title=dalma wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 08:07]Quote:
It's like people expect that racists, bigots, fascists, etc. will frown every time they see a person of a different skin colour than them, or spit on people of a different religion, or wear shirts that say "I hate minorities". They're going to behave normally in public, be kind to others if that's the norm of the society in which they grew up. The signs are much more subtle than that.
Daily reminder that people like Adolf Eichmann tested as being completely sane with no mental abnormalities. These people know full well what they do, they aren't mentally ill. Fascism is formidable precisely because it can attract even the most seemingly banal normie people and give them the cognitive dissonance needed to commit these atrocities and not feel any remorse.

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Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #441 is a reply to message #432] Tue, 26 March 2019 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wes
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Speaking of the Christchurch shooting, There is a video by NonComplete that tries to blame Pewdiepie of all things

It's almost like Non-Complete doesn't realzie that making videos like this is exactly what the shooter wanted and the shooter deliberately put in hooks to try to get as much media attention so that either the "Woke "Left"" or the Right wing can blame their boogieman for the actions of the shooter. When in reality the shooter's "Manifesto" is nothing but complete nonsense. The shooter did this for the same reason as many other mass shooters, leaving a name for himself and getting the media attention based on infamy thanks to the media cycle.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #453 is a reply to message #432] Wed, 27 March 2019 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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ted_burbclave
Daily reminder that people like Adolf Eichmann tested as being completely sane with no mental abnormalities. These people know full well what they do, they aren't mentally ill. Fascism is formidable precisely because it can attract even the most seemingly banal normie people and give them the cognitive dissonance needed to commit these atrocities and not feel any remorse.
This. Most of the Nazis doing atrocities were regular people that got caught up in the rhetoric of hate, fatherland first, etc. This is why nationalism is so dangerous, despite people saying 'a little bit of patriotism is OK'. It's a slippery slope.

Wes
It's almost like Non-Complete doesn't realzie that making videos like this is exactly what the shooter wanted and the shooter deliberately put in hooks to try to get as much media attention so that either the "Woke "Left"" or the Right wing can blame their boogieman for the actions of the shooter. When in reality the shooter's "Manifesto" is nothing but complete nonsense. The shooter did this for the same reason as many other mass shooters, leaving a name for himself and getting the media attention based on infamy thanks to the media cycle.
But we can't forget that he was right-wing. He was trained in right-wing camps in Ukraine, he played a Serbian (Cetnik) ultra-nationalist song, he killed only Muslims, his guns had all sorts of right-wing writing on it. He may have written his manifesto as a joke, but he did say he was inspired by Breivik. Breivik targeted the youth section of a Norwegian leftist party. Make no mistake, the NZ shooter is very much right-wing.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #478 is a reply to message #441] Sat, 30 March 2019 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grabbag
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Wes wrote on Tue, 26 March 2019 22:19
Speaking of the Christchurch shooting, There is a video by NonComplete that tries to blame Pewdiepie of all things

It's almost like Non-Complete doesn't realzie that making videos like this is exactly what the shooter wanted and the shooter deliberately put in hooks to try to get as much media attention so that either the "Woke "Left"" or the Right wing can blame their boogieman for the actions of the shooter. When in reality the shooter's "Manifesto" is nothing but complete nonsense. The shooter did this for the same reason as many other mass shooters, leaving a name for himself and getting the media attention based on infamy thanks to the media cycle.
God I'm glad I wasn't the only one who's pissed off at this shit. I hate "BreadTube" so much.
Re: Christchurch Shooting General [message #506 is a reply to message #441] Sun, 07 April 2019 11:18 Go to previous message
Mazdak
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Wes wrote on Tue, 26 March 2019 22:19
Speaking of the Christchurch shooting, There is a video by NonComplete that tries to blame Pewdiepie of all things
I'm even seeing leftists calling for PDP to be banned from YouTube for "inciting terrorism". As if some YouTuber making edge jokes and saying "nigger" once makes someone shoot up a mosque. It confuses me why people aren't concetrating on the obvious cause at hand: fascism as an inherently violent ideology. If Tarrent hadn't of name-dropped PDP (which was entirely purposeful anyway) then leftoids and liberals wouldn't be advocating for censorship of some random edgelord.
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