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Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #321] Fri, 15 March 2019 10:12 Go to next message
Ackoli
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Registered: January 2019
What's your thoughts on the recent school strikes around the world? How do you think they relate to the current state of socialism?

I've seen them in my city. There's several thousand people there, and although most of the flags and banners are politically neutral ("there is no planet B" was the most common one), I saw many socialist or communist flags throughout the march.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #329 is a reply to message #321] Fri, 15 March 2019 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Purged
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Registered: January 2019
The ones against global warming? I aven't heard too much about them, is there a media blackout? Plus students can't accomplish too much.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #336 is a reply to message #329] Fri, 15 March 2019 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pato
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Registered: January 2019
I feel like they can, just take a look to the Paris uprisings of 1968.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #345 is a reply to message #336] Sun, 17 March 2019 22:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anarchocyber
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Registered: January 2019
I support them, because the simple fact that suing the government and general strikes have worked in the past. I'm worried that people will dismiss them because their just kids, but at least the kids are doing something, unlike most people.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #379 is a reply to message #345] Wed, 20 March 2019 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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Registered: January 2019
Of course I support them. But the media is doing its usual thing. They're focusing on Greta Thurnberg, now she's been nominated for a nobel peace prize. The weakest point of any movement is the leader. If Greta 'slips' up, that's the end of that.

Another thing is that this, like many other protests will end up in 'raising awareness'. Will the world governments listen to this? Doubtful. This should be sparking adult protests around the world.

Paris uprisings in 1968 were mainly university students, so adults. These are mostly primary school children from what I can tell.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #464 is a reply to message #379] Thu, 28 March 2019 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Durruti
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Registered: January 2019
While these protests are mainly "raising awareness" and therefore unlikely to change anything directly, this is a great way to radicalise an entire generation.

I'm sure many people take part because "skipping school lol", but they then spend their days discussing politics. Once someone becomes "environmentally woke", it's very easy to show them how capitalism is incompatible with environmental sustainability.

It looks like this connection is already being made and there's a general anticapitalist sentiment amongst the strikers (in the UK at least), but we need to do what we can to make sure the kids don't end up advocating "green capitalism".

I also think this is vital experience for industrial disputes etc. when these kids grow up. IMO we should be supporting the strikes however we can.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #567 is a reply to message #464] Sat, 27 April 2019 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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And as predicted,
dalma
The weakest point of any movement is the leader. If Greta 'slips' up, that's the end of that.
they're turning on her.


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So it is quite appropriate that their new leader is Greta Thunberg.

The 16-year-old was treated to a hero's welcome in Westminster during the week and there was something quite nauseating in the way politicians such as Jeremy Corbyn and Caroline Lucas fawned over their girl.

A strange sort of cult has sprung up around Thunberg and it should come as no surprise that cracks are beginning to appear in her halo.

Having found fame of sorts with her decision to bunk off school every Friday to stage a one-woman sit-in outside the Swedish Parliament, she has become a very modern celebrity - half Joan of Arc, half Katniss Everdeen.

But it now appears that what you might call a spontaneous display of adolescent truancy may have been a rather more orchestrated affair.

Her mother - a singer - happened to be releasing a book about her family life and climate change when her daughter started her campaign (Thunberg has addressed this on Facebook and said the timing of publication was coincidence).

Then, this week, a delightfully unseemly row broke out between her and former PR adviser Ingmar Rentzhog who may have used Miss Thunberg's image to raise funds without her knowledge.

That Greta Thunberg seems to be a remarkably annoying child is hardly in doubt.

That she is a remarkably annoying child who is being ruthlessly exploited by older people is also beyond question.

Both the media and politicians have a habit of using people for their own ends and then spitting them out when they're no longer of any use.

That can be very unpleasant to witness when it's an adult being exploited.

When it's a 16-year-old girl, it's morally repugnant.

Greta Thunberg obviously means well, but there is also something profoundly undemocratic in the way she scolds politicians for "being popular".

This is another way of saying they should ignore the will of the people and pay more attention to one teenager.
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/ian-odoherty-climate-chan ge-activists-love-making-their-empty-gestures-38051394.html
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Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #617 is a reply to message #321] Wed, 29 May 2019 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Efrar
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Registered: May 2019
I am glad that some younger people in my country are worried and attempting to do something. However I don't think there has been a huge impact from them and they have basically petered out. They were met with ridicule or ignored from what I can see. Not even token concessions were made. The prime minister basically told the students to fuck off and get back in school. This will hopefully teach the students a lesson about power in our society but I worry it will foster apathy.

My countries main centreleft and progressive neolib
partys were in support of the strikes. Young people will probably go to them first before thinking about socialism. Politicians from those parties were very vocal in being seen as supporting the strikes.
I would be more hopful about young people flocking to socialist parties/movement if they saw how pathethic the neolib response to climate chamge is. But I doubt they will as that would require looking up policy.

I think young people will be attracted to the Green party before socialism. Anticapitalism is seen as scary and dangerous. To question capitalism is to support gulags and inefficent socialist red tape. Capitalism is entrenched on thought as sensible and pragmatic. I dont think particpating in the strikes will shift to many people in my country left. There is too much bullshit being put in childrens heads. I think they will need more than participating in the strikes to shift them to socialism.
Re: Thoughts on the School strikes? [message #618 is a reply to message #617] Thu, 30 May 2019 13:25 Go to previous message
Durruti
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Registered: January 2019
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I think young people will be attracted to the Green party before socialism.
I know the green movement is pretty wet in Germany many places, but it can be a vital stepping stone to socialism.

If someone really commits to the green movement, it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly that capitalism and sustainability are incompatible, despite the squeals from "green capitalism" types.

I suspect the failings of eg. the German Greens come from a co-opted leadership, and that the majority of their members are well to the left of how the party actually uses its power. I'd be interested to hear from anyone with experience of how the green movement turns into cozy "neoliberalism with a human face".

The UK green party until very recently was a great left-wing radicalisation machine; I've seem many idpol liberals join and turned into committed socialists by the inherent contradictions of capitalism on a finite planet. Unfortunately, after a recent huge surge of liberals joining and an internal coup changing how decisions are made within the party, I think this radicalisation has been curtailed or stopped.

Everything I've seen of the climate strikes (and Extinction Rebellion) suggests they're currently pushing pretty socialist ideas; I wonder how long they'll continue to do so. The structure of local chapters is pretty non-hierarchical, so hopefully they can't be subverted by leadership and will continue to radicalise the youth.
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