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The white left are the pawns of the right [message #260] Mon, 18 February 2019 17:27 Go to next message
grabbag
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Back in the 00s and early 10s, before all this "culture war" bullshit started, I remember that throughout internet culture, invoking communist symbolism in a mostly apolitical way was edgy and cool. A lot of imageboards did this very often for instance. You don't really see this kind of stuff anymore because the roles have shifted, it is now fascism that is invoked in the same way with the same kind of attitude. The image that communism used to have on the general internet has morphed into that of the triggered tumblr feminist thanks to in part the white left, but also /pol/, who basically did what the left are trying but actually succeeded somehow.

Aside from their focus on identity politics and their milquetoast socioeconomic views, the white left is playing into every stereotype and every object of spite regarding the left in belief that it makes communism look cool and appealing through being confident. How many times haven't you seen some twitter fucktard with over 10k followers being like "FUCK YEAH I'M PROUD TO BE A SOYBOY CUCK! u mad alt-right?" for instance? In the age of "cringe" culture, when you try to act confident saying shit like this, it has the opposite effect of what you desired, and they are completely oblivious to this. They are like aliens in human suits, all of them are socially awkward to the world outside of the campus and only they themselves understand each other. The white left and their focus on identity politics managed to suck all the "cool" out of communism, they turn the jokes that the right wing make about us real, they validate every spite an on-the-fence person could have. They are literally the pawns of the right wing, one big reichstag fire whos flames just wont go out.

In short, the white left has created such a strong guilt by association that they have shot us all in the foot. The western left is a joke thanks to them.

edit: Posted in the wrong section, meant to be in Social

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Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #261 is a reply to message #260] Mon, 18 February 2019 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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While the left has always had idpol tendencies these things ballooned out of control in the past 15 years. It was a right-wing talking point before it became reality, which leads me to believe that these ideas were basically planted by the media and later taken up by mentally ill persons who wanted attention. The older pro-labor & anti-war left was nearly disappeared under the weight of idpol.

It's also no coincidence that the SJW phenomena exploded immediately following 2008 and renewed anti-capitalist protests. Western police agencies have been using idpol to divide and conquer the left since the 1960s at least. If you look at declassified FBI documents they show that FBI deliberately encouraged racial divisions within leftist organizations, including the Socialist Workers Party and the Maoist inspired Revolutionary Union. The post-2008 gender wars are very likely another similar campaign of D&C on part of the ruling class...
Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #262 is a reply to message #261] Mon, 18 February 2019 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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Also, I don't know why you feel the need to put all the blame on "the white left" as if ONLY whites engage in identity politics...
Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #263 is a reply to message #262] Mon, 18 February 2019 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grabbag
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I'm not talking about leftists who are white, but rather this chinese expression.

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Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #265 is a reply to message #263] Mon, 18 February 2019 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Purged
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Is "baizuo" a real thing or is it something the 50 cent army made to criticize chinese leftist?
Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #266 is a reply to message #265] Mon, 18 February 2019 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grabbag
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No idea. I like to use the term as an alternative to "Social Justice Warrior" though.
Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #269 is a reply to message #266] Tue, 19 February 2019 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Radlibs seem to be the most with spread term
Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #276 is a reply to message #269] Thu, 21 February 2019 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peebles
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Honestly idpol has been on the way out since 2016, the Trump election broke a lot of rad libs brains and made them act more normal. The issue is the remaining ones are psychopaths, and then leftist organizations start, they take control of the dialogue.

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Re: The white left are the pawns of the right [message #341 is a reply to message #276] Sat, 16 March 2019 06:07 Go to previous message
anonleft
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Peebles wrote on Thu, 21 February 2019 13:47
Honestly idpol has been on the way out since 2016, the Trump election broke a lot of rad libs brains and made them act more normal. The issue is the remaining ones are psychopaths, and then leftist organizations start, they take control of the dialogue.
This, things have been slowly improving. I think a lot of people in the initial tumblr wave of this kind of thing have literally just exhausted themselves and the fatigue has forced them to take a step back and reconsider whether or not white people having dreadlocks or not is really the hill they want to die on. I don't want to be too optimistic, or really optimistic at all, but I've seen improvements. I also do think the left should find a way to offer a robust alternative to liberal queer culture and communities, because now that the queer spotlight honeymoon is over a lot of people are realizing that the liberal "LGBT" culture is exceptionally toxic, elitist, and often predatory (cult-like "polycules", hypersexuality demanded of young people often naive undergraduates, people guilted into sex under the presumption that it's progressive (i.e. "What you arent attracted to transwomen, you wont have sex with me?")Wink. Something socialist orgs should do is offer alienated and lonely queer people spaces where they can just be people and not be forced into some pathological virtue signal heirarchy of emotional abuse, and it only requires demanding a general level of respect and and politesse between members of the group as a whole which should be required anyway.
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