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The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #232] Tue, 12 February 2019 11:58 Go to next message
Anonymous
Some of you have probably heard about it, there is a new Chinese TV show about Marx called The Leader. A few episodes are already fansubbed.

I watched the first episode and there wasn't much action, but going by the trailer for the next episode, I'm sure this will change. So I'll probably watch the rest. I learned that back in the day, everybody in what is now Germany wrote letters in Chinese with bad German next to it and everybody called Marx Kaurwl (except his gf who called him Kaurwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl).

It feels a bit strange to think that some 13yo boy in China watches a show about Marx owning guys in a pub by talking about the differences between Kant and David Hume while at the same moment an American twice that age watches Steven Universe.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #233 is a reply to message #232] Tue, 12 February 2019 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is that the anime were Marx is bishounen? I need to watch it
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #239 is a reply to message #233] Wed, 13 February 2019 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peebles
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from my leftypol post:
Despite the white washing of the time Karl Marx lived in, I am a little surprised how straight they are taking this stuff. Like, in the most recent episode Karl Marx is talking about freedom of speech from government control, the right to bear arms, and not paying your taxes; all of these would be as treasonous to advocate in China today as they were in Prussia. Hilariously, when you strip Karl Marx from like actual workers struggles, he looks like some American Libertarian lol
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #247 is a reply to message #239] Fri, 15 February 2019 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Haven't been to /leftypol/ in over a year, what are they saying on the thread?
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #249 is a reply to message #232] Fri, 15 February 2019 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kennedy Bryansky
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Im so happy Ive learned about this
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #293 is a reply to message #232] Mon, 25 February 2019 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Summary of episode two: Fuck Christians and fuck landlords. Finally an anime that tells it like it is.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #294 is a reply to message #293] Mon, 25 February 2019 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jesus fuck give us links with subtitles
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #298 is a reply to message #232] Sat, 02 March 2019 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Third episode: The break with Idealism, with the help of Feuerbach (who also isn't spared criticism). Wordswordswords. A lot of what is said is directly lifted from manuscripts and letters by Marx and Engels. It feels like every other sentence a book is thrown at you. If you are new to Marx, you'll better constantly stop and google things. I think an overlay of context-relevant information could help a lot with understanding, but it's too much having that in addition to subtitles. With a fandub however...

There needs to be a Karl Marx Animé study group.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #299 is a reply to message #298] Sat, 02 March 2019 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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LINKS

Part 1: "Different youth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T0a_jXHiDo

Part 2: "Defending the rights of the people"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTz1EJGpMmU

Part 3: "New world view"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgd6ElkmTWc

Part 4: "Scientific socialism shines brightly"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0raP5-Bzwgk

Part 5: "Great work Das kapital"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fjmrVYm0U

Part 6: "First International"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l800cg4-VOw
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #300 is a reply to message #299] Sat, 02 March 2019 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pato
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The anime is worth watching? I kinda stopped watching anime a while ago
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #301 is a reply to message #300] Sun, 03 March 2019 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Karl Marx is the most important philosopher of the 19th century, but it doesn't mean he's good material for animé (or live action). The biography of somebody who tries robbing banks is good material for film adaption (like Bonnie and Clyde or... Stalin); but with a life of reading and writing, how do you turn that into interesting visuals? And the man in question read and wrote about politics and economics. How do you find good visual metaphors for the often rather abstract issues Marx and Engels were talking about?

Characters talk and what they say is very intelligent, but it's so dense that it's off-putting and feels very unreal. And the visuals often don't add anything to understanding. What does it matter whether they are sitting at a table or walking down the street while saying what they say, what does it tell you, for many scenes they could as well have shown a black screen.

It's watchable for me because I have strong interest in Marx; my brother has not, and I couldn't get him to watch more than the first episode. Millions of young Chinese are watching this and I've heard there is also a comic corresponding to the show (haven't seen translations yet), meaning this Marx media project is going to be the standard reference point when talking with Chinese people about Marxism so that's reason enough for me to check and look whether there's a nefarious spin to it. Four episodes in, I have to say I found the bit weird where Marx says that Tibet belongs to China and so does Berlin. Just kidding, I haven't spotted any evil manipulation so far. In terms of accuracy in representing the views of Marx I think it's pretty good (no miracle as his words are often taken directly from his writings), but it's not very accessible.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #302 is a reply to message #301] Sun, 03 March 2019 03:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pato
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Thanks for the reply, I will give it a try. My little brother is into anime so maybe he could watch it with me.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #307 is a reply to message #232] Mon, 04 March 2019 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
There's a really absurd scene in the Paris Commune episode (13:15). During a gunfight, one of the communards stands up, turns his back on the enemy, and gives a motivational speech, and a well-known song is blared in your face by an orchestra (needs some vuvuzela IMHO). He is standing in the open air. I expect him to turn into Swiss cheese, but this doesn't happen because animé logic.
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #310 is a reply to message #232] Thu, 07 March 2019 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
The episode about Das Kapital is underwhelming. The message is that capitalism is bad because capitalists are all a bunch of Waluigis who steal shiny coins from the workers. My dear Chinese Animé overlords, was there anything else in Kapital aside from that? No...
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #328 is a reply to message #232] Fri, 15 March 2019 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
The final episode ends with a sermon by the narrator telling you that China has developed Marxism and adapted it to Chinese circumstances. That Marxism includes Dengism, of course :/
Re: The Leader - animated series about young Marx [message #330 is a reply to message #328] Fri, 15 March 2019 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anonymous wrote on Fri, 15 March 2019 12:44
The final episode ends with a sermon by the narrator telling you that China has developed Marxism and adapted it to Chinese circumstances. That Marxism includes Dengism, of course :/
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