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Zizek general [message #138] Thu, 24 January 2019 02:18 Go to next message
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Talk he gave early this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=545x4EldHlg
Small segment with Russia Today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai_UAPaoEW4
Remember to watch The Perver's Guide movies, very intense and interesting.
Re: Zizek general [message #139 is a reply to message #138] Thu, 24 January 2019 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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Where should one start with reading Zizek?

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Re: Zizek general [message #140 is a reply to message #139] Thu, 24 January 2019 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can't open the picture but there is Zizek For Beginners it's a mix of comic and prose and lays down the most basic things but you should check Lacan For Beginners since Zizek takes so much from him.
Re: Zizek general [message #151 is a reply to message #140] Fri, 25 January 2019 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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https://i.imgur.com/TuYnKVw.jpg
courtesy of /lit/
Re: Zizek general [message #169 is a reply to message #151] Sun, 27 January 2019 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've never understood what about Lacan was attractive to Zizek as a communist, I wrote a pretty long paper where I applied Lacanian psychoanalysis, and reading Lacan in order to write the paper was brutal. He's so nebulous, it's like you have to pick one thing he says and focus on that in order to make the rest of it make any sense whatsoever, and of course everything is super vague and none of it seems to have much to do with anything real. (Although I guess that is the point, we are in pursuit of the "real", but his definition is not materialist, so it seems like it contradicts Marxism directly.Wink
Re: Zizek general [message #172 is a reply to message #169] Sun, 27 January 2019 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have your question back wards "What about communism was attractive to Zizek as a lacanian"
And all honest I can't answer it since I'm not too familiar with psychology in general.
Re: Zizek general [message #174 is a reply to message #172] Mon, 28 January 2019 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camarade René
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Purged wrote on Sun, 27 January 2019 22:44
What about communism was attractive to Zizek as a lacanian
Even reworded like this, it's pretty hard to come up with something. Unless you think of communist society as the real which we can't attain, or even really imagine clearly. Lacanian psychoanalysis isn't really political in an overt way, I just don't see how you can go from talking about the barre to liquidating kulaks.
Re: Zizek general [message #176 is a reply to message #174] Mon, 28 January 2019 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless you think of communist society as the real which we can't attain, or even really imagine clearly
But that's a very fitting description!
Re: Zizek general [message #177 is a reply to message #176] Mon, 28 January 2019 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camarade René
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Purged wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 16:57
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Unless you think of communist society as the real which we can't attain, or even really imagine clearly
But that's a very fitting description!
Yeah but Lacan was talking about it on a personal, subconscious level. If I recall correctly, he was reinterpreting Freud and building on it. He taught at the école freudienne. Are you familiar with Zizek's writing? I've only watched a couple talks and one of the movies, and read his article about China's "communist capitalism" and another one on Jordan Peterson. His explanations seem really idealist in general, as all Lacanian writing is. It seems like he's Lacanian first and communist second, which is a bit of a contradiction
Re: Zizek general [message #178 is a reply to message #177] Tue, 29 January 2019 00:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not familiar with his writing, only his movies and lectures.
Yes, Zizek is lacanian first and he may only be marxist in political terms and not philosophical.
Re: Zizek general [message #220 is a reply to message #169] Mon, 11 February 2019 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One way to understand it is in light of Zizek's project to analyse ideology. Psychoanalysis is clearly of help in that pursuit, and Lacan I think especially.
Re: Zizek general [message #296 is a reply to message #220] Fri, 01 March 2019 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Zizek VS Peterson has a date and a poster
19 of April and it falls on a friday, it's impossible to not see this like a boxing match.
Re: Zizek general [message #304 is a reply to message #296] Sun, 03 March 2019 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The sad part it, it doesn't matter what is said. Jordan will say something about lobsters and his fanbase will eat it up.
Re: Zizek general [message #308 is a reply to message #138] Wed, 06 March 2019 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camarade René
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That debate is going to be absolute shit. I also bought a book recently called Marxism and Psychoanalysis which tries to unite Marxism and Freudian psychoanalytic thought. (Which is relevant because Lacan taught at the école freudienne, after all.Wink I'm going to scan it and put it on libgen sometime this weekend if anyone wants to check it out, it was published in the late 60s in one edition so I think it's pretty uncommon, I can't find anything on Reuben Osborn. Is Zizek the only Lacanian communist? I feel like there isn't much crossover between the psychoanalytic community and the communist community in the same way there is for history or other fields in philosophy. Maybe I'm wrong though
Re: Zizek general [message #384 is a reply to message #308] Thu, 21 March 2019 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Camarade René
Is Zizek the only Lacanian communist? I feel like there isn't much crossover between the psychoanalytic community and the communist community in the same way there is for history or other fields in philosophy. Maybe I'm wrong though
I don't know about Lacan, but Freudians are generally leftists or at least see Marxism favourably. Freudians/psychonalysts also hate Peterson and he comes from the Jungian tradition.

'Jungians' are often right-wing, or at the very least staunch individualists (in my limited experience).
Re: Zizek general [message #386 is a reply to message #384] Thu, 21 March 2019 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How did that came to be?
Did Jung stepped out of freudian tradition intentionally or was it something else?
Re: Zizek general [message #554 is a reply to message #386] Sat, 20 April 2019 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Zizek Peterson debate was amazing. Peterson defeat was so massive that by the end he was bending over to listen more to what Zizek had to say and all the time he just looked so weak and dumb.
Peterson showed that the only books he knows about are the books he wrote.
I loved how Peterson was left speechless and people actually laughed at his silence, it must had been really painful for him.
Re: Zizek general [message #555 is a reply to message #554] Mon, 22 April 2019 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know how anybody unironically thinks he could've won that debate.
Re: Zizek general [message #601 is a reply to message #555] Fri, 10 May 2019 17:26 Go to previous message
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There seemed to be a big mismatch in the beginning. Peterson went directly into attacking the Communist Manifesto which was a smart move because it's the most dated and flawed document that Marxists still use. Zizek didn't appear interested in debating those points, but he did later touch on some of them when he mentioned that Marx's analysis of capitalism was much more developed (and correct) in Capital. Zizek also took a thrust at Peterson's conflation of Marxism with postmodernism and identity politics (i.e. cultural-marxism).

On the last point I think Zizek should have been much more aggressive, since people like Jordan Peterson have contributed (in a supremely negative way) to building the myth of Cultural Marxism. Sadly, i think that in recent years this myth has begun to overtake real Marxism, i.e. a materialist philosophy which corresponds to a movement dedicated to building socialism.
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