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Trump and the Wall [message #88] Sun, 20 January 2019 16:43 Go to next message
dalma
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Registered: January 2019
I just read another news story about Trump not yielding on the wall and saying he won't yield. He keeps talking about security and protection, and I don't think he is lying. Global temperatures are rising, this will make large parts of the planet uninhabitable. We are already seeing migrations due to environmental factors.

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"Climate action is paramount. Climate change is having far-reaching effects on agricultural productivity and food security. It is among the main reasons for the record numbers of people compelled to migrate from rural areas to towns and cities around the world. Importantly, the Paris Climate Change Agreement recognizes the need to protect vulnerable populations, including migrants, and establishes a dedicated task force to advance strategies that avert, minimize and address displacement related to climate change," he said.

Historically, people have been forced to flee their homes due to civil wars, political instability, poverty and hunger, but the growing number of extreme weather events linked to climate change are now increasingly contributing to migration.

According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization, in 2015, there were 244 million international migrants, 40% more than in 2000. In the same year, over 19 million people were internally displaced because of natural disasters. Between 2008 and 2015, an average of 26 million people have been displaced annually by climate or weather-related disasters.
unfccc.int/news/climate-change-is-a-key-driver-of-migration- and-food-insecurity

The US shares a long border with Mexico and central America. I think Trump is trying to build a wall in preparation of what his advisors are telling him can happen (and probably will happen).

On this website you can look at any region of the planet and see there has been a rise since 1850: carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-every-part-of-the-world-has-warme d-and-could-continue-to-warm
interactive.carbonbrief.org/impacts-climate-change-one-point -five-degrees-two-degrees/?utm_source=web&utm_campaign=R edirect

Trump may be denying climate change in public, or he may be lying in public so as not to cause panic, because things are actually much worse than we thought: mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/deep-adaptation-map-navigatin g-climate-tragedy/

I think we're going to see harsher crack downs on migrants as time goes on. The attached map does not paint a nice picture of the planet.

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Re: Trump and the Wall [message #102 is a reply to message #88] Mon, 21 January 2019 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Durruti
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Registered: January 2019
This reminds me of Peter Frase's "Four Futures".
The book's refreshingly short and easy to read, but it's basically just a longer & deeper version of [this article](jacobinmag dot com/2011/12/four-futures/).
tl;dr: We're facing four(4) possible futures:

  1. Egalitarianism and Abundance: Communism
    eg. Star Trek, The Culture
  2. Hierarchy and Abundance: Rentism
    ie. landlords, copyright lawyers and patent trolls form an elite, everyone else is in an underclass on UBI/state benefits
  3. Egalitarianism and Scarcity: Socialism
    eg. cybernetic communism, labour tickets, UBI in a classless society
  4. Hierarchy and Scarcity: Exterminism
    A world characterised by resource wars, mass migrations, border walls, drowning refugees and anti-poor/anti-immigrant rhetoric
Obviously the future will actually have elements of each, but we're seeing more and more signs of impending exterminism.
Pretty scary IMO, I just hope the global wave of strikes and uprisings we're seeing changes the path the world's heading down, and quickly.
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #117 is a reply to message #88] Mon, 21 January 2019 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grabbag
Messages: 13
Registered: January 2019
Dumbass
That wall will be built any day now, guys! MAGA
I swear to god if that guy who's running the GoFundMe (I'd link but I gotta make 4 more posts first) doesn't just run with the money he'll probably live a life of the most regret anyone has ever had.
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #170 is a reply to message #117] Sun, 27 January 2019 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camarade René
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Registered: January 2019
I'm still very much confused about the events of the shutdown and how this affects the border, are they doing the smart wall? I know the Democrats voted to increase funding or something
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #445 is a reply to message #170] Tue, 26 March 2019 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wes
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Registered: March 2019
I think that the "Wall" was nothing but a lame relection strategy, if Trump really wanted to build the Wall, he would have done it while the Republicans have the majority in congress. I don't think he ever was going to build the wall in the first place, just yet another promise made by a rich con-man. Like so many other presidents.

Thisi s why electoralisim is never going to solve anything.
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #455 is a reply to message #445] Wed, 27 March 2019 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dalma
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Registered: January 2019
The US is still in a state of emergency. Congress wasn't able to reverse Trump's declaration. I don't know much about the details of executive orders, but when can he direct resources towards building the wall and actually start building it? How many chances does congress have to stop him?
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #466 is a reply to message #455] Thu, 28 March 2019 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olivia
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Registered: March 2019
I don't really think Trump is competent enough to plan ahead that far, but it is interesting to think about.
Looks like we're living in the endtimes.
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #467 is a reply to message #466] Thu, 28 March 2019 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Karl
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Registered: January 2019
There are currently 32 "national emergencies" in effect right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_i n_the_United_States
Re: Trump and the Wall [message #470 is a reply to message #466] Thu, 28 March 2019 20:54 Go to previous message
ted_burbclave
Messages: 23
Registered: March 2019
Trump isn't competent, his cabinet and the people around him are the real threat.
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